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Open Thread

by: Gerald Weinand

Wed Jan 13, 2010 at 06:49:32 AM EST


Good morning.

Haiti has been devastated by an earthquake measuring 7.0, leaving many thousands dead:

Rescue teams struggled in the early morning darkness Wednesday to make their way through the rubble of collapsed buildings after a devastating earthquake struck Haiti late Tuesday afternoon.

The quake, with a magnitude estimated at 7.0, caused the collapse of the National Palace, leveled countless shantytown dwellings and brought more suffering to a nation that was already the hemisphere's poorest and most disaster-prone.

The earthquake was the worst in the region in more than 200 years and left the country in a shambles. As night fell in Port-au-Prince, Haiti's densely populated capital, fires burned near the shoreline downtown, but otherwise the city fell into darkness.

McClatchy asks will Wednesday's Wall Street inquiry find the real villains?, as the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission opens its investigation into what led to the financial meltdown in 2008.

Experts hope 'jobs bill' learns stimulus lessons, as do many of us - you mean all those tax cuts didn't do what targeted spending could have? Who knew?

The failure of Washington lawmakers to recognize the severity of the Great Recession has slowed the recovery and allowed unemployment to reach double-digit levels, according to some of the nation's leading economists. The experts hope that the latest effort - in the form of a new "jobs bill" being crafted by Democratic leaders - will not only be sizable enough totackle the problem, but also will focus only on programs providing the most "bang for the buck."

"In retrospect, they were overly optimistic," Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a liberal policy group, said of the previous efforts to stimulate the economy. "They just didn't appreciate the severity of the downturn. ... Even now, they don't seem to get it."

Hopefully those in Congress will understand that the jobs bill isn't about creating jobs, but about investing in infrastructure of our nation, in projects that will allow future economies to grow. Even Sen. Snowe seems to get it (h/t DBailey):

As I reiterated to OMB Director Orszag today, the challenges of our economy are of paramount consequence and job creation and economic growth must remain the central goals of the legislative agenda for this next session of the 111th Congress. We have an obligation to ensure that each and every dollar we spend either creates jobs at a greater rate or protects displaced individuals at a lower cost than competing policies on the table.

And as an example, reader Bob K sends along this update on work at the Elizabethtown Amtrak Station, the 8th worst stimulus project in the nation.

An open thread.

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AMGlolz finds this interesting (0.00 / 0)
tidbit from an interview at Pine Tree Politics with Paul Lepage, the conservative Republican running for governor:

I don't believe that the state should be in the marriage business. The State, for years and years and years, has been trying to sanitize religion out of government. So if they're truly intent on doing that, I think what the legislature should have done is simply say, okay folks, we're going to have a civil union. And anyone that wants to have a contract to say that they want all the freedoms, they have a civil union. If you want to have a marriage we'll leave that up to the churches. So I go one step further than many [be]cause I say if you're going to get married by the State, its a civil union, period. Whether you're a homosexual, lesbian, heterosexual. Everybody. That way everybody gets the same legal standing.

Seems I've heard that argument before....


I do find it interesting... (0.00 / 0)
that Paul LePage has a magical shield protecting him on this issue from the rabid social conservatives.  Given the standards over there for gay threads I thought this point should be worth at least a 5 or 6 page thread of its own.  

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how's your new website going for ya Gerald? Not as much traffic as you expected? (0.00 / 0)


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If you are implying that I am behind (0.00 / 0)
AsMaineGoeslolz, you are mistaken - I barely have the time for this one, and I don't have the great wit that its creator does.

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I have to admit that one of (0.00 / 0)
my first thoughts, before I learned how extensive the devastation in Haiti is (and reports have it that Port au Prince has been leveled with upwards of 100,000 dead), my first thoughts were about what Haitians had done to deserve such a fate - in much the same way that New Orleanians "deserved" the wrath of Katrina.

Well, Pat Robertson knows (h/t Rita):

And you know, Christy, something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it, they were under the heel of the French, uh, you know, Napoleon the third and whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the devil, they said, we will serve you, if you get us free from the Prince, true story. And so the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' And they kicked the French out, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free, and ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other, desperately poor. . . the Island of Hispaniola is one island cut down the middle. On the one side is Haiti, on the other side is the Dominican Republic. Dominican Republic is, is, prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty, same Islands, uh, they need to have, and we need to pray for them, a great turning to God. And out of this tragedy, I'm optimistic something good may come, but right now we're helping the suffering people, and the suffering is unimaginable.


I posted the Robertson (0.00 / 0)
video over to AMG after seeing no one else had, figuring that it would generate some comments of interest...and it did.

TheJohnChapman has this incredible response to a question I was asked by the site's owner, Scott Fish:

Editor: Gerald -

Can you prove Pat Robertson is wrong?

skf

TheJohnChapman: http://www.blackandchristian.c...

But:

http://ferentz.com/?p=32

Now, as I understand it, the French were Catholic. Robertson is Christian. He believes that the word of the bible is gospel.

1 Peter 5:8-11 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. 10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever.
Luke 10:19 - Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

I'll dispense with the MANY verses that discuss the believers trampling the unbelievers in the OLD testament.

Now, if the bible is right, at least in THAT respect, the Catholic, confessed French should have trampled the serpents of the unwashed, Satanic slaves.
-- but that didn't happen.

There are some alternate biblical possibilities, but none help Robertson.

One is that the New Testament stuff (at least) really is talking about waging war against the serpents within, not against earthly serpents. Christians are promised victory in the NEXT life, not this one.

-- and that kinda' tramples its opposite, that God STILL wields the Old-Testament sword against the infidels.

Then there's the possibility that the believers among the slaves outnumbered the believers among the wine-swilling, whoremongering French soldiery. That theory, however, also cuts against Robertson's thesis. The slaves would have won because they were MORE holy.

At the end of the day, the holier French SHOULD have made mincemeat of the devil-worshiping slaves, because they simply would have outpaced them.
"Isa 40:28-31 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. 29 He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. 30 Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; 31 but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."

Whew - powerful stuff, but wholly ineffective in Haiti. Scott, I think I've ventured a fair amount of biblical proof that the FACT stated by Robertson - not a BELIEVED pact with the devil, but an ACTUAL pact that Satan signed on to, is inconsistent with events and scripture. I'll admit I'm wrong if a meteor strikes Paris tomorrow.



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Mountains beyond mountains... (0.00 / 0)
...of aid effort in response to the earthquake and the ongoing need to help Haitian institutions respond to the people of Haiti effectively is needed.

Tracy Kidder's (Author of the highly acclaimed "Mountains Beyond Mountains") in today's New York Times piece sets out so much more the kind of discussion needed, beyond immediate massive catastrophic assistance, that ought to be our direction


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